Posts by Jagged Red Pill

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The Real Aftermath of the AGM...Part 2

by raymond frantz in

for the ones based in britain only the "few" were invited to attend the agm .they received their new grey bible and the rumor was that the new bible will not be available for the rest of the congragations until january .it was confirmed tonight .a letter was read as local announcement that the new bibles will not be available until the end of january for the rest of the congragation .all the in crowd were sat there with their new flashy bible looking smug.also the bible reading was read from the new bible to make it all the more obvious ..... the real aftermath of agm....

Jagged Red Pill

Not that I voluntarily try to keep up to date with what's going on, but I do still talk with a couple of nice JWs when I come across them, just because I don't have anything against them personally. It seems there was a big saga going on where I am, regarding the AGM. Some old faithful ones that you would expect to be in good standing had been turned down from attending with no further explanation, while some spoiled elders' bratty children who are of age and would have not qualified by own merit were allowed to attend.

Logic would tell you that those turned down because they were not with the in crowd would have had their eyes opened a little. However, as far as I've gathered it has made them think that they must be lacking in some way, or maybe their motives for working hard and being faithful all their JW life weren't correct, so they are now set on trying even harder to be “good christians”, and working doubly hard.

Shame on the GB and whoever was in charge of deciding who was worthy or well connected enough to attend. Not that I care, but I do feel for the few good people I know that felt hurt and unworthy because of this. And yes, I've been told that the Bibles caused an “us vs them” feeling in the following meeting, with AGM attenders being pedantic and smug.

Hopefully, some of the ones who have been made to feel unworthy by this whole AGM/non-proof-read-bible saga will stop to think about it and let the blinkers fall off.

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Newspaper Article: Press Telegram-JWS BRING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO LONG BEACH - (JW beliefs discussed including date setting)

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.presstelegram.com/social-affairs/20130829/jehovahs-witnesses-bring-millions-of-dollars-to-long-beach#comments.

go to the website to read the comments by xjws.. jehovahs witnesses bring millions of dollars to long beach.

jehovah's witnesses hold a series of regional conventions in long beach every summer, bringing some 150,000 witnesses from across the southland over the course of 15 weekends.

Jagged Red Pill

Maybe it's just me, but had to laugh at this:

“ Some people think we don’t believe in Jesus ... or that we are anti-social, or that we are a cult. People think of cults as secret. We are not secret. We go door to door talking to people,” Martinez said.

Lets look at this from a mathematical/boolean point of view, just for fun.

This spokesperson states that when “people think” that JWs do not believe in Jesus, they are arriving to the wrong conclusion, they are in effect wrong. He has stated too that when “people think” JWs are antisocial, they are also wrong. Therefore, in this context, this person sets the premise that what “people think” is invariably wrong. So as a consequence of that, when “people think” that cults are secret, they are wrong. So by his own reasoning, cults would be deemed as not secret. So this is when the fun starts:

IF cult = not secret AND JWs= not secret

THEN JWs= not secret = cult

THEN Jws= cult

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I just want a divorce!

by bornfree123 in

hi there, this is my first post, but i've been buzzing around this site for years.. i got married at 18, hubby was 20, i was a regular pioneer and we were talking about serving in bethel.

fast forward - i left in 2004 after a 5 year battle with my conscience, family and friends who kept insisting that i was just "weak and needed to have another bible study".

however hubby and i stayed together although it was kinda on the understanding that we would just not talk about it.

Jagged Red Pill

losingit, I'm glad the text is of some help. It really helped me when I first discovered it not that long ago. You are right, separation and divorce are horrible, specially when you trully believed it would last forever. But this too, will pass, and you will be stronger and better because of it. Just hang on there

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I just want a divorce!

by bornfree123 in

hi there, this is my first post, but i've been buzzing around this site for years.. i got married at 18, hubby was 20, i was a regular pioneer and we were talking about serving in bethel.

fast forward - i left in 2004 after a 5 year battle with my conscience, family and friends who kept insisting that i was just "weak and needed to have another bible study".

however hubby and i stayed together although it was kinda on the understanding that we would just not talk about it.

Jagged Red Pill

Hello Bornfree123, I'm new around here but have just filed for divorce, so you are in my thoughts. I know the thread was started a couple of months ago, but here are my two cents for what they may be worth.

*lost* has given very good tips on how to get evidence and where to go for advice and help.

I would suggest making sure that your have a solicitor that actually cares and is committed on getting the best results for you and seeing the whole process through, as well as taking into account your feelings and emotional state, they need to be aware of what you can actually handle at every stage. And you must feel that you can trust this person.

You may have done this already, but in case you haven't, check if you are entitled to get legal aid, your solicitor should be able to do this for you.

Above all, don't fall into the trap of giving your soon to be ex the pleasure of a scriptural divorce. Seems to me by what you have said until now that's what he's after, he would be able to play the sympathy card and paint you as a bad person, and have the blessing of others when he decides to remarry, when in effect he is the one responsible for this, he walked out on you and your children, so make him pay for it girl. It's good you have your mom's support.

You will be pestered and probably harassed by some JWs trying to find out if you have comitted adultery – I have been, some were actually very angry when they finally realized that I was not an adulterer. So don't let anyone harass you, and don't even think of admitting to something you haven't done just to speed things up. It's easier said than done, but at the end you will be able to hold your head high.

Now, counting on him getting DF or reproved on the grounds that he is not providing for you and your children, it doesn't always work that way. Even with written evidence he may get away with it in a congregational level if he knows how play the elders. But the judge, that will be a different matter.

And to those pointing out that Jehovah hates a divorcing, it sure is what we've had drummed into us whenever the subject has popped up, and even more so if you have dared to separate from your husband or decided to divorce him. But if you read Malachi 2:6 in other translations of the Bible, you may be surprised. As an example, here's how the NIV translates it:

““The man who hates and divorces his wife,” says the LORD, the God of Israel, “does violence to the one he should protect,” says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful.”

Just a thought.